this might be the end

[BingoBopple04]

(This isn't directed to you or possibly others on here, but from what I have heard countless times over the web, I don't understand why people say that it is totalitarian and control of people if people need to show ID to the government... They are the government... They will have your information the moment you are born thus why you got a birth certificate, drivers license, other licenses etc... They are all issued by the government.)

you realize whistleblowers, activists and journalists all use the internet to communicate & that protecting their identities is important right
they're also making it so that kids have to verify their id to download WEATHER apps from the app store without parental permission right?
like if it was just to keep kids safe, they won't do that for every app in the app store just some of them
i understand your concern but i'm afraid it's a problem with no perfect solution
i'm saying this as a former kid who was failed by the internet

I suppose it would be so much more work for everyone in the government to try search through the entire webstores and filter through which apps specifically would need verification. For those who are activists, whistleblowers etc. A lot of them do show their faces while in protest which I don't quite understand that if they truly cared about privacy, they wouldn't be showing their faces in the streets. Something my parents did with me, (and I am younger than you by what I see with your stated age) was that they forbade me to have a phone up until 2018 and 19 while I was midway through highschool. By that point they gave me a keypad phone which couldn't do much but call and message. When I had my DS and Switch, they put parental controls on my devices to ensure that I couldn't access the stores to get things and that if there was something I wanted to get, I would ask them and they would provide their card to let me purchase the said product (But that happened rarely), this same idea can be applied to the use of ID card to be able to access the stores which have some unregulated content on there, a bit different to a physical shop where staff can easily keep track of stock and incoming product. I personally didn't find it too much of an issue besides the fact that I was far behind the curve of what the cohort was on, but I am glad they did that as now I am probably as social as I can be, barely needing to check my phone while out in public unlike others I see who can be glued to their phones and not be as social as they could be as well as not getting sucked into radical sides of political things or issues.

[lakes]

(This isn't directed to you or possibly others on here, but from what I have heard countless times over the web, I don't understand why people say that it is totalitarian and control of people if people need to show ID to the government... They are the government... They will have your information the moment you are born thus why you got a birth certificate, drivers license, other licenses etc... They are all issued by the government.)

you realize whistleblowers, activists and journalists all use the internet to communicate & that protecting their identities is important right
they're also making it so that kids have to verify their id to download WEATHER apps from the app store without parental permission right?
like if it was just to keep kids safe, they won't do that for every app in the app store just some of them
i understand your concern but i'm afraid it's a problem with no perfect solution
i'm saying this as a former kid who was failed by the internet

I suppose it would be so much more work for everyone in the government to try search through the entire webstores and filter through which apps specifically would need verification. For those who are activists, whistleblowers etc. A lot of them do show their faces while in protest which I don't quite understand that if they truly cared about privacy, they wouldn't be showing their faces in the streets. Something my parents did with me, (and I am younger than you by what I see with your stated age) was that they forbade me to have a phone up until 2018 and 19 while I was midway through highschool. By that point they gave me a keypad phone which couldn't do much but call and message. When I had my DS and Switch, they put parental controls on my devices to ensure that I couldn't access the stores to get things and that if there was something I wanted to get, I would ask them and they would provide their card to let me purchase the said product (But that happened rarely), this same idea can be applied to the use of ID card to be able to access the stores which have some unregulated content on there, a bit different to a physical shop where staff can easily keep track of stock and incoming product. I personally didn't find it too much of an issue besides the fact that I was far behind the curve of what the cohort was on, but I am glad they did that as now I am probably as social as I can be, barely needing to check my phone while out in public unlike others I see who can be glued to their phones and be as social as they could be.

well i'd rather have people keep using parental controls for these kinds of things
like you just pointed out they're useful for this sorta thing
so i don't understand why the govt is doing this other than to more easily surveil people
plus closeted people also use the internet to be themselves and the id laws risk them being forcibly outed (ik bc i'm one of them)
that's not even getting into the fact that in certain places the lgbt+ community is illegal

[BingoBopple04]

you realize whistleblowers, activists and journalists all use the internet to communicate & that protecting their identities is important right
they're also making it so that kids have to verify their id to download WEATHER apps from the app store without parental permission right?
like if it was just to keep kids safe, they won't do that for every app in the app store just some of them
i understand your concern but i'm afraid it's a problem with no perfect solution
i'm saying this as a former kid who was failed by the internet

I suppose it would be so much more work for everyone in the government to try search through the entire webstores and filter through which apps specifically would need verification. For those who are activists, whistleblowers etc. A lot of them do show their faces while in protest which I don't quite understand that if they truly cared about privacy, they wouldn't be showing their faces in the streets. Something my parents did with me, (and I am younger than you by what I see with your stated age) was that they forbade me to have a phone up until 2018 and 19 while I was midway through highschool. By that point they gave me a keypad phone which couldn't do much but call and message. When I had my DS and Switch, they put parental controls on my devices to ensure that I couldn't access the stores to get things and that if there was something I wanted to get, I would ask them and they would provide their card to let me purchase the said product (But that happened rarely), this same idea can be applied to the use of ID card to be able to access the stores which have some unregulated content on there, a bit different to a physical shop where staff can easily keep track of stock and incoming product. I personally didn't find it too much of an issue besides the fact that I was far behind the curve of what the cohort was on, but I am glad they did that as now I am probably as social as I can be, barely needing to check my phone while out in public unlike others I see who can be glued to their phones and be as social as they could be.

well i'd rather have people keep using parental controls for these kinds of things
like you just pointed out they're useful for this sorta thing
so i don't understand why the govt is doing this other than to more easily surveil people
plus closeted people also use the internet to be themselves and the id laws risk them being forcibly outed (ik bc i'm one of them)
that's not even getting into the fact that in certain places the lgbt+ community is illegal

I suppose so, you have some valid points. But I feel the idea of leaving it in parents hands to set up parental controls is just not gonna happen. I see that the typical Australian parent mentality is the oh well that is alright, let my kid have some freedom and be happy doing what he likes because I see no harm in it. And when experts implore parents to block access to these things, parents shrug and don't act, just seen it happen too many times, same with the E-bike crisis and E-scooters where kids ask parents, they buy them the stuff because they see no harm in it because it isn't technically considered a motor vehicle, but then don't really research as to if it is a good idea to follow through with it and now we see high death tolls of kids in short time because they aren't responsible on it and end up speeding faster than what they should be travelling at which will require more control and experience to handle.

[lakes]

I suppose it would be so much more work for everyone in the government to try search through the entire webstores and filter through which apps specifically would need verification. For those who are activists, whistleblowers etc. A lot of them do show their faces while in protest which I don't quite understand that if they truly cared about privacy, they wouldn't be showing their faces in the streets. Something my parents did with me, (and I am younger than you by what I see with your stated age) was that they forbade me to have a phone up until 2018 and 19 while I was midway through highschool. By that point they gave me a keypad phone which couldn't do much but call and message. When I had my DS and Switch, they put parental controls on my devices to ensure that I couldn't access the stores to get things and that if there was something I wanted to get, I would ask them and they would provide their card to let me purchase the said product (But that happened rarely), this same idea can be applied to the use of ID card to be able to access the stores which have some unregulated content on there, a bit different to a physical shop where staff can easily keep track of stock and incoming product. I personally didn't find it too much of an issue besides the fact that I was far behind the curve of what the cohort was on, but I am glad they did that as now I am probably as social as I can be, barely needing to check my phone while out in public unlike others I see who can be glued to their phones and be as social as they could be.

well i'd rather have people keep using parental controls for these kinds of things
like you just pointed out they're useful for this sorta thing
so i don't understand why the govt is doing this other than to more easily surveil people
plus closeted people also use the internet to be themselves and the id laws risk them being forcibly outed (ik bc i'm one of them)
that's not even getting into the fact that in certain places the lgbt+ community is illegal

I suppose so, you have some valid points. But I feel the idea of leaving it in parents hands to set up parental controls is just not gonna happen. I see that the typical Australian parent mentality is the oh well that is alright, let my kid have some freedom and be happy doing what he likes because I see no harm in it. And when experts implore parents to block access to these things, parents shrug and don't act, just seen it happen too many times, same with the E-bike crisis and E-scooters where kids ask parents, they buy them the stuff because they see no harm in it because it isn't technically considered a motor vehicle, but then don't really research as to if it is a good idea to follow through with it and now we see high death tolls of kids in short time because they aren't responsible on it and end up speeding faster than what they should be travelling at which will require more control and experience to handle.

yeah i think you make some good points too. so i'm just gonna agree to disagree

[BingoBopple04]

well i'd rather have people keep using parental controls for these kinds of things
like you just pointed out they're useful for this sorta thing
so i don't understand why the govt is doing this other than to more easily surveil people
plus closeted people also use the internet to be themselves and the id laws risk them being forcibly outed (ik bc i'm one of them)
that's not even getting into the fact that in certain places the lgbt+ community is illegal

I suppose so, you have some valid points. But I feel the idea of leaving it in parents hands to set up parental controls is just not gonna happen. I see that the typical Australian parent mentality is the oh well that is alright, let my kid have some freedom and be happy doing what he likes because I see no harm in it. And when experts implore parents to block access to these things, parents shrug and don't act, just seen it happen too many times, same with the E-bike crisis and E-scooters where kids ask parents, they buy them the stuff because they see no harm in it because it isn't technically considered a motor vehicle, but then don't really research as to if it is a good idea to follow through with it and now we see high death tolls of kids in short time because they aren't responsible on it and end up speeding faster than what they should be travelling at which will require more control and experience to handle.

yeah i think you make some good points too. so i'm just gonna agree to disagree

Yeah same here. I guess that is what makes this all so hard is that there will never be a perfect decision that will please everyone. And I guess that is something I can work around, just hope the method for this ban can be handled better instead of force presenting ID in some way to the government, me personally I am fine with the gvt, but third party companies having my data is where I fret in. I am just glad I was able to have this discussion with people normally, usually when I speak like this people flip out and immediately start calling me things instead of trying to hear each other out and build and understand opinions.

[solinus]

If anything, if KOSA and the like passes, I'd imagine for better or worse, forums may see a resurgence among younger people as forums aren't as heavily regulated.

[xrossmediabar]

Bru that ban was light

[kornfan1799]

australia under 16 ban

im not 16

ive changed my google accounts to 16 and have a vpn but if this is the end goodbay

Honestly thats horrible xmb man these countries BE CONTROLLIN EVERYTHIN like its 1984,fuck da government

[xrossmediabar]

Yeah I despise the idea and it's not about protecting us it's about controlling I bet.

Luckily the van hasn't even hit hard lol. failed so hard

[Windows7Forever]

plus i doubt the state id laws are gonna affect the indie web. since they're mostly forcing social media and app stores to comply with the laws

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Maybe things are a little bit different in Australia (where the OP is from), but I've heard that the UK, which is imposing similar restrictions, is unfortunately cracking down on some indie websites as well like Spacehey. Not sure if other indie websites have been affected as well, but I do know that Spacehey has gotten caught up in their crackdown as of July of this year.